Coffee Talk
Don’t you hate it when you go to a website that threatens you with eternal banishment if you don’t stay on topic? Well, those of us here at TS with adult ADHD, who are easily distracted by something shiny, feel your pain. That’s why we have created “Coffee Talk.” It gives you one subject to focus on.
Once a week, we will throw out a topic. Feel free to voice you opinion in a Thundersquee!TM way. If you’re feeling really spunky, add a little Bailey’s, or Welsh Whiskey to your coffee. Strictly for medicinal purposes, of course. This week’s topic: vegetarianism and veganism. Talk amongst yourselves.
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October 29th, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Jujubees says:I kind of feel like this post is all about me and you guys are planning something. Are you guys spys, is someone watching me through my computers screen?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:46 AM
silent noodles says:I was a vegetarian for 3 years….I am not anymore. The end. Interesting huh?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Cait says:So you’re now a rapist like the rest of us? ;)
October 29th, 2009 at 9:53 AM
SeaKat says:I could be a vegetarian, but my husband would divorce me.
If this were an US Weekly headline it would read:
SeaKat Says: Marriage Made Me Into A Killer!!
October 29th, 2009 at 10:04 AM
lava says:i love meat
October 29th, 2009 at 10:10 AM
silent noodles says:SeaKat no lie that is one of the main reason I started eating meat again, my fiancé…his family is Cuban/Ecuadorian and to say you are vegetarian is basically saying you are a spoiled brat and something is wrong with you.
P.S I’m a full-on-rapist (If you watch Its Always Sunny this is funny, if not I just sound like an enthusiastic rapist.)
October 29th, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Cait says:Whoopi would say that isn’t rape, rape, though. ;)
October 29th, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Cristal Methodd says:I don’t believe in isms, I just believe in me.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:18 AM
SeaKat says:CM, I’ve been to paradise, but I’ve never been to me.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:19 AM
SeaKat says:SN, I don’t want to get into gender stereotyping or anything, but based on the anecdotal evidence of friends, it does seem like men have a harder time giving up meat.
Maybe it’s the higher muscle content that requires more protein? Or maybe I’m making crap up? :)
October 29th, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Jujubees says:or maybe because weiners are a type of meat.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Jujubees says:Okay, I need to point out the topic was originally about conspiracy theories. And in that context my comment will make more sense. That’s hags for leaving my cheese in the wind. What about leaving no hag behind? And I also need to mention many vegertarians do not eat cheese.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Jujubees says:That’s supposed to be, thanks and not that’s. I’m 100% sober and I make less sense today.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
payter says:Candy is meat free.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Jujubees says:But jello isn’t with all that gelatin. Bones are what give it all that jiggle. Also, it’s a lie that there’s always room for it.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:38 AM
TheHobo says:Actually, I completely 100 percent believe that we should dramatically change the way we process meat and treat animals that are going to end up on our grills. I read The Jungle and I was horrified.
However, I still want to eat meat, because frankly, being a vegetarian takes too much effort to get all the proper nutrients in. Hell, I don’t get all the proper nutrients in now, but at least I don’t have anemia.
So, you know, I aim for the free range chicken and the free range eggs, and if we could treat pigs and cows better and stuff, that would be nice.
Just let me keep eating them.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Sar says:Meat (specifically beef) has been my favorite food since I was a child. My diet is already extremely restricted. I don’t want to restrict it any further, because something tells me I’m going to get some disease one day that’s going to make it to where all I can consume is matzoh and diet ginger ale.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:50 PM
TheHobo says:Sar: that’s not a bad diet actually :-P Probably boring after a bit though…
October 29th, 2009 at 1:11 PM
chelsea says:I would think there would be more with all the cute animal pictures on this site. guilt and all that stuff
October 29th, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Cait says:I have no impending plans to eat my collies.
I mean, I’ve seen Alive, after all.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:18 PM
chelsea says:I’m not vegan, but life is life I have guilt sometimes for eating flesh and I do not mean ana guilt either
October 29th, 2009 at 1:48 PM
XENU says:I read Skinny Bitch last year.. I promised I would turn vegan and turn away from my evil meat- eating ways.. then, one weekend, I hopped up north to MN where I ate at the most glorious restaurant ever.. Fogo De Chao (or something like that..) I ate at the salad bar for the first 45 minutes while I continued to slight foam at the mouth every time a piece of filet mignon was brought to my table.. eventually I said, Fuck it- Imameateater… and the rest is history. I don’t eat red meat very often, but I do love some chicken… and if you think about it, chickens are kinda stupid anyway so I don’t feel as guilty about eating them as I do those big, beautiful cows. The original owners of the BBW title.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Jujubees says:If we were all on an a mountain you can eat me. But I must insist you all wait till I’m dead first.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:58 PM
chelsea says:deal
October 29th, 2009 at 2:01 PM
chelsea says:I say the same but, aaaaaaaaaaa you know
October 29th, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Sar says:Hahahahahaha
Chelsea you are such a good sport.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:26 PM
payter says:XENU, was it a Brazilian Steak House? If so, I so getcha.
Although when I went to one here in KC, it got me. I ate so much I threw up the next day. Or I got food poisioning. Either way, it was the best restaurant I had ever been to, until I barfed.
I love meat! BUT, I love Morningstar Spicy Black Bean burgers. They are spicy meatfree goodness. mmmmmmm.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:37 PM
blah says:Watch the movie “Food Inc.” It may not make you a vegetarian, but it will definately make you think about where your food comes from.
I’m not a vegetarian, everytime I go veg I gain weight. I’m not a huge meat eater, but I know that if I consume a lot of high-protien food like chicken it is much easier to maintain my weight. With me, it’s basically about laziness. It’s quicker to fix a salad than cook a chicken.
Most of the meat in the US is just not good quality. Cows are fed corn which is just horrible for them. Cows are meant to eat grass which keeps them relatively trim compared to the fat-asses they become when fed a corn diet. Thier bodies don’t break it down as easily and bacteria forms in thier stomachs.
I don’t have anything against vegetarianism or veganism (although I have questions I wish vegans would answer)but if people are going to eat meat, I wish it would be from free-range, grass fed and as local as possible. If people really knew what they were injesting when they bought that giant tube of hamburger they find in the stores, they’d never touch it again. We wonder why Americans are so unhealthy - it’s all about quality of the product and the crazy portion sizes.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Jujubees says:I was driving down the street today and noticed we have around 8 steak houses in a very small area. Our town isn’t that big. There’s pretty much a butt load of steak houses out here in Texas. There’s a lot of cross meat grilling smells in the evenings. It’s an odd smell and it both entices you and repels.
October 29th, 2009 at 5:02 PM
potato-sensei says:I agree with blah on portion sizes. It’s getting way out of hand where I live. I mean you go to an “Italian” restaurant and they give you a plate of pasta that could serve an entire family.
And then I feel cheated because I could have gotten the same box of pasta as Safeway for a $.
But the whole vegetarian thing intrigues me. It seems like something I could be willing to do at least part time (if not full time) because I have terrible eating habits as it is (meaning that I pretty much live on coffee and noodles). And I did give up beef for at least 2 years in high school after they made me watch the video about tapeworms.
So I guess I’m asking if it was hard for anyone to become a vegetarian and how did you start out (or what’s a healthy way to start out), and also just out of curiosity, what were factors that made you convert to vegetarianism or veganism?
October 29th, 2009 at 6:06 PM
blah says:There’s a stupid “buzz word” called flexitarian which is bascially a dumb fake word for someone who just limits their meat intake. I actually found it pretty easy to not eat meat. I live alone so I didn’t have to accomodate everyone’s likes and dislikes.
Pescatarians only eat stuff that comes out of the sea or lates like fish, shellfish, clams, scallops, lobstah (I’m in Massachusettes right now). It’s pretty easy to do and you get all the protien you need. If someone is concerned about mercury, there are fish out there that don’t contain mercury and are actually environmentally sustainable.
October 29th, 2009 at 6:50 PM
shu_shu says:I actually got trapped talking to this asshole husband-and-wife who went on and on about how they would *NEVER* go to breakfast at this certain restaurant because they are vegetarians and “everytime we go, we leave reeking of meat.”
She keeps rambling on and on, so I start to space out, and in my mind, I’m going “Hey, if I smelled like meat all day, the biggest obstacle would be to keep me from licking my forearm all day to see if it tasted like bacon….”
As I’m daydreaming about bacon flavored forearms, kind of weaving back and forth between my imagination and listening to these assholes, I hear her say, “Well, I guess we eat meat at home, sometimes, but it’s never red meat. And never at a restaurant. I guess, really, we just try to limit our meat intake for health reasons.”
And then, without missing a fucking beat, this bitch digs in her purse and lights up a cigarette.
::The End::
October 29th, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Jujubees says:It’s too bad she didn’t ignite her aqua net at that moment.
October 29th, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Bedbugs and Ballyhoo says:“I know, you know, we all live in a land of meat.” We meaning Hook, Morris, Dickens, Gilbert and I. (Well, that may actually be a mondegreen, but I’m sure many people heard it that way besides me.)
October 29th, 2009 at 7:44 PM
stopthemadness says:i could be the walrus. i’d still have to bum rides off people.
mmmmm… tasty walrus.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Mae says:shu_shu, that is one of the best stories I’ve heard in quite some time. Funnily enough, every vegetarian/vegan I know is either a chain smoker, alcoholic, “recreational drug user” or a combination of the three. I guess they are trying to make up for the awesomeness they are missing out on by not eating succulent bacon or cheese.
October 30th, 2009 at 2:02 AM
Bedbugs and Ballyhoo says:Mae, you know what the worst type happens to be? A Prius driving Vegan that smokes in their car and has ashes everywhere and they expect you to ride around with them in their self-polluted environment. Yes, I do know such a person. I told them I would become a Vegan when they gave up smoking. And, scrumptious Quiche Lorraine is still on my menu.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:45 AM
payter says:Juju - to this day restaurant smells remind me of Dallas (i lived their right after college). That whole city smells like it has been sitting in a mesquite marinade for years and been grilled to perfection.
Makes it hard for a meat lover to run outside. MMMMMMMMM.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:50 AM
shu_shu says:@ Mae! Me too!!! Isn’t that bizarre? Even my brother, who is a very hardcore and disciplined Vegan, will still hunker down over his stash box every night.
Thankfully, he’s not all up in my bizness about his choices being “better” than mine. He lives his life, I live mine, no lectures. Which is good, because that would make for an awkward Thanksgiving: him blabbering on why we should eat Tofurkey and chanting about what an awesome Buddhist-Vegan-Pothead he is, and me frantically looking for a brick to smash him in his smug, Pacifist face.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:03 AM
Helen Skor says:I could never be a vegan. Vegetarian maybe. But never a vegan. I just love cheese too much. And ice cream. And I don’t want soy cheese or soy ice cream - it’s just not the same - I’ve tried.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:42 AM
SeaKat says:Me too, Helen. I could definitely give up red meat. And fish. Possibly chicken. But dairy products?? Nuh uh. No way.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Mae says:haha, shu_shu. Thanksgiving Turkey is one thing I will never sacrifice. It’s only served two, maybe three, times a year and I show up with elastic waistband pants on. Not really, but every year I wish I had. The only thing vegetarian/vegan I’ve tried and liked(besides fruits and veggies) is vegetarian BBQ ribs and they were damned good. But, not real ribs good. I think Tofu is repulsive.
Helen: I too, have tried soy cheese/ice cream/milk because I’m lactose intolerant. Gross. I *still* drink milk and eat cheese and occasionally have ice cream (usually in winter. go figure) and just eat my weight in Tums.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:56 AM
blah says:Here’s the question I’ve always wanted to ask vegans: If we are not using these animals such as cows and pigs for our consumption, then what will happen to them? They have been domesticated for so long that they would be rendered utterly defensless in the wide world of the animal kingdom.
Animals that provide meat or dairy product are fed based on the money that is generated by those products. Are we supposed to just keep a giant cow as a pet? Dude, do you know how much those guys eat? Should we set them all free only to be hit my cars, be subjected to disease, famine and the other animals out there that would prey on them otherwise? The deer population can get really out of control, but it would be small potatoes compared to letting out all these dometicated animals to fend for themselves.
October 30th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
TheHobo says:Actually, that’s just it. Without using them for meat/dairy, there really is no reason to have the population of chickens, pigs and cows that we have. You’d have to systematically shut down farms, sort of gradually decrease the supply of meat, chicken, etc until the size of the population we currently have is down to a manageable size, and then…
And then I’m still not sure what we’d do with them. Pigs are supposed to make good pets. We can keep the chickens if we’re still allowed to have eggs (so long as they are free range).
What do they do with cows in that place that worships them? Just let them wander the streets? Man, that’s gotta be messy…
We don’t even eat cats and dogs (here, anyway, for the most part) and we can’t keep a handle on their population, and have too many strays.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:07 PM
blah says:yes. They wander the streets. In India they make sure to wheel thier little rickshaws around them so as to not hurt them. If they sit in the middle of the street, they can’t force them to move. That would be quite interesting if they tried to pull that shit on a major US interstate.
Vegans don’t eat any animal products, so there’s no eggs, honey or Jello. In essence Bill Cosby would be no more. Many vaccines would go by the way-side because many of them use egg protien.
Also, Pam Anderson should thank her stars that people use eggs for her Hepatitis C treatment.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Mae says:I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again; Have these people not seen the Lion King?! Circle of life, people! Circle of people!
October 30th, 2009 at 4:29 PM
TheHobo says:Honestly, I’m not a vegetarian, but I have to say, I really don’t like the way they treat the meat we eat.
My friends bought a cow, well, calf, and raised it and fed it and fattened it up in order to kill it and eat it. They named it History.
All was well until they discovered that, away from the herd, cows have a personality. Also, their dog, the world’s friendliest Rottweiler, made friends with it. They’d touch noses.
But when it was time, they still had the people come out to kill History and cut her up into appropriate bits for their deep freezer, taking away any bits my friends didn’t want.
And the guy, and the dogs, had no problem eating History, but the woman never really could enjoy her steak after that…not from that cow.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Mae says:Oh, I could never do that. I have severe attachment issues. I become attached to EVERYTHING! Even cute stationary for example, I will buy and refuse to use because I don’t want to ruin it. Any way, had they never seen City Slickers?! I wanted a cow for like 2 years after seeing that movie.
October 30th, 2009 at 6:36 PM
blah says:You NEVER name something if you plan on eating it! I think that’s why we are forced to name our children…keeps people from eating babies. Babies are full of meat. Think about THAT!
October 31st, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Sar says:Ran across something totally relevant to this:
http://improbable.com/ig/winners/
2009 Ig Nobel Prizes…
VETERINARY MEDICINE PRIZE: Catherine Douglas and Peter Rowlinson of Newcastle University, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, UK, for showing that cows who have names give more milk than cows that are nameless.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:06 AM
blah says:I didn’t read the article but I can see where they are coming from. If you name an animal, you’re generally going to take care of it better, pay more attention, and in general be happier around the animal. Therefore, it seems logical that if you have happy cows, you’ll get greater milk production. Still, it would just make it impossible for me to name an animal (because then it stops being a “cow” and instead becomes my pet) then later kill it.